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I am an absolute newbie with sixpack and would like to jump into editing files but I have not been able to get the gcic editor to run. What is the proper way to start it?
 

 Is there a version of ISPF available or xedit?
 

 Dennis
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Not for VM370R6. XEDIT was VM/SPr2. ISPF not until much later.


Joe

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM, [hidden email] [H390-VM] <
[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I am an absolute newbie with sixpack and would like to jump into editing
> files but I have not been able to get the gcic editor to run. What is the
> proper way to start it?
>
>
> Is there a version of ISPF available or xedit?
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> Dennis
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You can install the MECAFF tools.


Joe

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM, [hidden email] [H390-VM] <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> I am an absolute newbie with sixpack and would like to jump into editing
> files but I have not been able to get the gcic editor to run. What is the
> proper way to start it?
>
>
> Is there a version of ISPF available or xedit?
>
>
> Dennis
>
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On 1/7/2017 2:11 AM, Joe Monk [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:
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> Not for VM370R6. XEDIT was VM/SPr2. ISPF not until much later.
>
>
EDGAR !

--Ivan

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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> I am an absolute newbie with sixpack and
> would like to jump into editing files but I
> have not been able to get the gcic editor
> to run. What is the proper way to start it?

The readme.txt says to look here:

type gcic memo u

I did that and got:

12:20:49 Running the application
12:20:49 -----------------------
12:20:49
12:20:49 EXecute the RUNGCIC (PROFILE) EXEC file to start the GCIC monitor.  GCIC will
12:20:49 then issue a CP DISCON(ect), continuing to run in the  background.

...

12:20:49 e.g.   DIAL CMSUSER

However, I suggest you make a backup
of the sixpack system before trying, because
I failed to follow the instructions
properly and now my "cmsuser" logon
keeps on saying "restart" without
doing anything useful, and even
rebooting VM doesn't solve the
problem.

BFN. Paul.
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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> I am an absolute newbie with sixpack
> and would like to jump into editing files

Ok, I've taken a look at other suggestions,
and I would suggest:

1. Try "edit" first, which is not fullscreen,
but doesn't require anything special to
start using it.

2. Backup your CMS disks (zip or
whatever from Windows) and then
try following the GCIC instructions,
as GCIC comes standard with the
sixpack.

3. I have verified that DIAG 58 (from
Bob Polmanter) and Mecaff (from
Hans Latz), which uses DIAG 58,
were both created *after* sixpack 1.2
was released, so they are not
available to you unless you want to
go through the non-trivial exercise
to install both products. You may
prefer to wait for sixpack 1.3 which
would hopefully have both already
installed, but it has been more than
6 years since sixpack 1.2 was
released, so there could be a long
wait for 1.3.


There is one more option available
to you. I actually never edit files on
VM at all. I instead use my PC editor
to create files, and then transfer
them up to VM. If you would like to
do that, then take a look at this:

C:\vm380>putcms
usage: putcms <files> [binary]
C:\vm380>

This opens up a completely different
paradigm though. Most people don't
work like that. I'm the only one who
does this as far as I know.

Can you tell me what you're
trying to achieve by running VM?

And one more option that predates
the sixpack being available. Robert
O'Hara had his VM system set up
so that he could go to edit a file
on VM, and it would automatically
be downloaded to the PC, his PC
editor would open, he made his
changes and it automatically
uploaded back to CMS. If this is
of interest to you, let the group
know and hopefully someone will
remember how Bob used to do this.

BFN. Paul.
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---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :

> Can you tell me what you're
> trying to achieve by running VM?

Also, are you aware that z/VM is available
as an evaluation? That presumably comes
with XEDIT and maybe even ISPF which
you are apparently already familiar with.

BFN. Paul.
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On 1/7/2017 3:04 AM, [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:
> ---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :
>
>> Can you tell me what you're
>> trying to achieve by running VM?
> Also, are you aware that z/VM is available
> as an evaluation? That presumably comes
> with XEDIT and maybe even ISPF which
> you are apparently already familiar with.
>
The z/VM 5.3 evaluation doesn't have ISPF - and although it is available
for download from IBM, the licensing restrictions are the same as any
other IBM System Program Product.

And making it a "permanent" system requires a bit of touch and prior
knowledge of VM.

--Ivan


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---In [hidden email], <ivan@...> wrote :

> The z/VM 5.3 evaluation doesn't have ISPF

I wonder if the ISPF recently made available
for MVS 3.8j could run on either the sixpack
or z/VM.

BFN. Paul.
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---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :

 ---In [hidden email] mailto:[hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :
 
 > I am an absolute newbie with sixpack
 > and would like to jump into editing files
 
 Ok, I've taken a look at other suggestions,
 and I would suggest:
 
 1. Try "edit" first, which is not fullscreen,
 but doesn't require anything special to
 start using it.
 

 *** I really want a full screen editor. I also was not able to set tabs with "edit".  I get a message "PFK not set".
 
 2. Backup your CMS disks (zip or
 whatever from Windows) and then
 try following the GCIC instructions,
 as GCIC comes standard with the
 sixpack.
 

 *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work. It just disconnects me and I have to log in again
 
 3. I have verified that DIAG 58 (from
 Bob Polmanter) and Mecaff (from
 Hans Latz), which uses DIAG 58,
 were both created *after* sixpack 1.2
 was released, so they are not
 available to you unless you want to
 go through the non-trivial exercise
 to install both products. You may
 prefer to wait for sixpack 1.3 which
 would hopefully have both already
 installed, but it has been more than
 6 years since sixpack 1.2 was
 released, so there could be a long
 wait for 1.3.
 
 
 There is one more option available
 to you. I actually never edit files on
 VM at all. I instead use my PC editor
 to create files, and then transfer
 them up to VM. If you would like to
 do that, then take a look at this:
 
 C:\vm380>putcms
 usage: putcms <files> [binary]
 C:\vm380>
 
 This opens up a completely different
 paradigm though. Most people don't
 work like that. I'm the only one who
 does this as far as I know.
 

 *** I'm okay with this. Where is that program and how to use it?
 
 Can you tell me what you're
 trying to achieve by running VM?
 

 *** I've got lots of time on my hands
 
 And one more option that predates
 the sixpack being available. Robert
 O'Hara had his VM system set up
 so that he could go to edit a file
 on VM, and it would automatically
 be downloaded to the PC, his PC
 editor would open, he made his
 changes and it automatically
 uploaded back to CMS. If this is
 of interest to you, let the group
 know and hopefully someone will
 remember how Bob used to do this.
 
 BFN. Paul.

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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work.
> It just disconnects me and I have to log in again

I believe that is exactly what is meant
to happen, but instead of logging
back in, you should use the "dial"
command instead.

So give that another try and report back.

>> C:\vm380>putcms
>> usage: putcms <files> [binary]

> *** I'm okay with this. Where is that
> program and how to use it?

You should already have it, because
it comes with the sixpack:

C:\download>unzip -v vm370sixpack-1_2.zip | grep -i putcms
     419  Defl:N      237  43% 2009-07-11 01:03 bb298bd3  batch/putcms.bat
     407  Defl:N      292  28% 2009-07-11 01:03 f6c23062  batch/putcmsb.exec

C:\download>

You need to copy the contents of
the "batch" directory up one level
for them to work.

Also note that you must have VM
shut down before you can run
putcms and the other batch
commands. putcms will start VM
itself and shut it down too.

>> Can you tell me what you're
>> trying to achieve by running VM?

>  *** I've got lots of time on my hands

Fair enough. :-) Would you like to
volunteer to build the next version
of MVS/380? You don't need
programming skills, just time and
patience.

The MVS/380 (and VM/380) group is
available here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info

BFN. Paul.
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 I got gcic running. Thanks.
 

 Having been used to xedit and ISPD I find it to be a bit difficult to use but experience may help. It seems that I cannot create a new file but the file has to exist firsts then rungcic.
 

 How difficult would it be to get RFE or something like SPF running on VM370?
 

 Working the next build of MVS/380 might be interesting
 

 I'll look into putcms later today.
 

 

---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :

 ---In [hidden email] mailto:[hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :
 
 > *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work.
 > It just disconnects me and I have to log in again
 
 I believe that is exactly what is meant
 to happen, but instead of logging
 back in, you should use the "dial"
 command instead.
 
 So give that another try and report back.
 
 >> C:\vm380>putcms
 >> usage: putcms <files> [binary]
 
 > *** I'm okay with this. Where is that
 > program and how to use it?
 
 You should already have it, because
 it comes with the sixpack:
 
 C:\download>unzip -v vm370sixpack-1_2.zip | grep -i putcms
 419 Defl:N 237 43% 2009-07-11 01:03 bb298bd3 batch/putcms.bat
 407 Defl:N 292 28% 2009-07-11 01:03 f6c23062 batch/putcmsb.exec
 
 C:\download>
 
 You need to copy the contents of
 the "batch" directory up one level
 for them to work.
 
 Also note that you must have VM
 shut down before you can run
 putcms and the other batch
 commands. putcms will start VM
 itself and shut it down too.
 
 >> Can you tell me what you're
 >> trying to achieve by running VM?
 
 > *** I've got lots of time on my hands
 
 Fair enough. :-) Would you like to
 volunteer to build the next version
 of MVS/380? You don't need
 programming skills, just time and
 patience.
 
 The MVS/380 (and VM/380) group is
 available here:
 
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info
 
 BFN. Paul.

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Glad about that. Once you have the FullScreen mods installed then you should be able to get MECAFF to run on VM.

 

Try this for installation instructions:-

 

http://www.mildredbrennan.com/blog/?p=178

 

it says its “xedit like” but I have never tried it…

 

Dave

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 07 January 2017 19:28
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Full screen editors for sixpack

 






I got gcic running. Thanks.

 

Having been used to xedit and ISPD I find it to be a bit difficult to use but experience may help. It seems that I cannot create a new file but the file has to exist firsts then rungcic.

 

How difficult would it be to get RFE or something like SPF running on VM370?

 

Working the next build of MVS/380 might be interesting

 

I'll look into putcms later today.

 



---In [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> , <kerravon86@... <mailto:kerravon86@...> > wrote :

---In [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> , <dev@... <mailto:dev@...> > wrote :

> *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work.
> It just disconnects me and I have to log in again




I believe that is exactly what is meant
to happen, but instead of logging
back in, you should use the "dial"
command instead.

So give that another try and report back.

>> C:\vm380>putcms
>> usage: putcms <files> [binary]

> *** I'm okay with this. Where is that
> program and how to use it?




You should already have it, because
it comes with the sixpack:

C:\download>unzip -v vm370sixpack-1_2.zip | grep -i putcms
419 Defl:N 237 43% 2009-07-11 01:03 bb298bd3 batch/putcms.bat
407 Defl:N 292 28% 2009-07-11 01:03 f6c23062 batch/putcmsb.exec

C:\download>

You need to copy the contents of
the "batch" directory up one level
for them to work.

Also note that you must have VM
shut down before you can run
putcms and the other batch
commands. putcms will start VM
itself and shut it down too.

>> Can you tell me what you're
>> trying to achieve by running VM?

> *** I've got lots of time on my hands




Fair enough. :-) Would you like to
volunteer to build the next version
of MVS/380? You don't need
programming skills, just time and
patience.

The MVS/380 (and VM/380) group is
available here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info

BFN. Paul.








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I am not sure how to set up putcms.
 

 C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2\batch>putcms testfile.text
 Could Not Find C:\putcms.zip
 'zip' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
 operable program or batch file.
 Usage example: runcms my.exec output.txt [my.zip] [my.vmarc] [binary] [binary]
 Could Not Find C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2\batch\putcms.txt
 Could Not Find C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2\batch\putcms.zip
 

 C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2\batch>
 

 

 I've set the VM370 environment variable
 

 

---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

 
 I got gcic running. Thanks.
 

 Having been used to xedit and ISPD I find it to be a bit difficult to use but experience may help. It seems that I cannot create a new file but the file has to exist firsts then rungcic.
 

 How difficult would it be to get RFE or something like SPF running on VM370?
 

 Working the next build of MVS/380 might be interesting
 

 I'll look into putcms later today.
 

 

---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :

 ---In [hidden email] mailto:[hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :
 
 > *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work.
 > It just disconnects me and I have to log in again
 
 I believe that is exactly what is meant
 to happen, but instead of logging
 back in, you should use the "dial"
 command instead.
 
 So give that another try and report back.
 
 >> C:\vm380>putcms
 >> usage: putcms <files> [binary]
 
 > *** I'm okay with this. Where is that
 > program and how to use it?
 
 You should already have it, because
 it comes with the sixpack:
 
 C:\download>unzip -v vm370sixpack-1_2.zip | grep -i putcms
 419 Defl:N 237 43% 2009-07-11 01:03 bb298bd3 batch/putcms.bat
 407 Defl:N 292 28% 2009-07-11 01:03 f6c23062 batch/putcmsb.exec
 
 C:\download>
 
 You need to copy the contents of
 the "batch" directory up one level
 for them to work.
 
 Also note that you must have VM
 shut down before you can run
 putcms and the other batch
 commands. putcms will start VM
 itself and shut it down too.
 
 >> Can you tell me what you're
 >> trying to achieve by running VM?
 
 > *** I've got lots of time on my hands
 
 Fair enough. :-) Would you like to
 volunteer to build the next version
 of MVS/380? You don't need
 programming skills, just time and
 patience.
 
 The MVS/380 (and VM/380) group is
 available here:
 
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info
 
 BFN. Paul.



 
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I found the source for DOS/Power spf on the web; but I have not tried to assemble it on VM.  I think it was either on the DOS VSE files section or maybe on Moseley site.
 
regards;

Rahim Azizarab
   

  

 

    On Saturday, January 7, 2017 1:28 PM, "[hidden email] [H390-VM]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

    
I got gcic running. Thanks.
Having been used to xedit and ISPD I find it to be a bit difficult to use but experience may help. It seems that I cannot create a new file but the file has to exist firsts then rungcic.
How difficult would it be to get RFE or something like SPF running on VM370?
Working the next build of MVS/380 might be interesting
I'll look into putcms later today.


---In [hidden email], <kerravon86@...> wrote :

---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :


 > *** The rungcic exec file on Y does not work.
> It just disconnects me and I have to log in again


I believe that is exactly what is meant
to happen, but instead of logging
back in, you should use the "dial"
command instead.

So give that another try and report back.


 >> C:\vm380>putcms
>> usage: putcms <files> [binary]

> *** I'm okay with this. Where is that
> program and how to use it?


You should already have it, because
it comes with the sixpack:

C:\download>unzip -v vm370sixpack-1_2.zip | grep -i putcms
419 Defl:N 237 43% 2009-07-11 01:03 bb298bd3 batch/putcms.bat
407 Defl:N 292 28% 2009-07-11 01:03 f6c23062 batch/putcmsb.exec

C:\download>

You need to copy the contents of
the "batch" directory up one level
for them to work.

Also note that you must have VM
shut down before you can run
putcms and the other batch
commands. putcms will start VM
itself and shut it down too.


 >> Can you tell me what you're
>> trying to achieve by running VM?

> *** I've got lots of time on my hands


Fair enough. :-) Would you like to
volunteer to build the next version
of MVS/380? You don't need
programming skills, just time and
patience.

The MVS/380 (and VM/380) group is
available here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hercules-os380/info

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Re: Full screen editors for sixpack

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Dave Wade wrote:

> Glad about that. Once you have the FullScreen mods installed
> then you should be able to get MECAFF to run on VM.
>
> Try this for installation instructions:-
>
> http://www.mildredbrennan.com/blog/?p=178
>
> it says its "xedit like" but I have never tried it...

I have.  I played around with it a while back and it was actually quite nice as I recall.

While it obviously doesn't do everything xedit does (nor the same way that xedit does it), it's got most of the essentials as I recall.  I found it to be quite usable and shitloads better than plain line-mode edit.

I'd certainly recommend it.

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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> I got gcic running. Thanks.

Fantastic!

> Working the next build of MVS/380
> might be interesting

Cool. So try the existing MVS/380 and see
if you are interested in this environment
that allows 31-bit and 64-bit programming.

> I am not sure how to set up putcms.

> I've set the VM370 environment variable

The scripts look for a VM380 environment
variable.

So:

set VM380=C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2

> C:\Users\d0325\Desktop\vm370sixpack-1_2\batch>putcms testfile.text

You need to move all the stuff in
"batch" to the level above, as per
instructions in "batch.txt" in the
"batch" directory:

C:\scratch\yyy2\ccc\batch>grep Copy batch.txt
Copy the contents of this directory to the SixPack directory (copy *.* ..).  Then set the environment variable "VM380" to the name of the directory in which the batch files are located, for example, "c:\SixPack".


> Could Not Find C:\putcms.zip
> 'zip' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

You will need to have "zip" installed. "zip"
and "unzip" are provided by (at least)
the info-zip package. I'm surprised you
don't have this installed already.

If you don't know how to obtain this,
or add it to your path if you already
have it, let me know and I'll find a URL.

BTW, where are you located? You
seem to track New Zealand business
hours. I'm in Sydney, Australia.

BFN. Paul.
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I am currently located in San Miguel, CA. I just changed my location in the profile because I joined this group when I lived in Sydney and never reset it.

 UTC-8 is my time zone.
 

 I spent 1988-2012 in Sydney. Initially I was a pre-sales engineer for Sterling Software in French's Forest. I supported Mark IV, Dyl-280, Answer-DB and Dyl-IQ Express on the applications side of things. We also had storage management products and, of course, Netmaster, which was developed in Oz but we acquired SDI in 1993 I think.
 

 Dyl-IQ Express and Answer-DB were CICS applications.
 

 My customers were:
 

 BHP
 Qantas
 CBA
 Alcoa
 Mobil
 

 Prior to that I worked for Bank of America in San Francisco and was a member of Informatics General Corporation's professional services team and had contracts in San Francisco, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Mexico City and Caracas, Venezuela.
 

 MARK IV (software) - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARK_IV_(software)

 
 
 MARK IV (software) - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARK_IV_(software) MARK IV is a Fourth-generation programming language that was created by Informatics, Inc. (later, Sterling Software) in the 1960s. Informatics, Inc. took advantage of IBM's decision to unbundle their software; MARK IV was the first "software product to have cumulati...
 
 
 
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 99 Bottles of Beer in Mark IV:

http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-mark-iv-377.html http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-mark-iv-377.html

 



 

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