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Hercules390 - Vm mailing list
After over 25 years, I decided to go on a nostalgia trip and try to take a look at the sixpack. It kicks off under Window 10 but the 3270 emulator does not accept any input. I have also tried to connect another emulator but it still has no input area. What to do?
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It helps if you give us more info. From what you say I assume you are seeing the VM logo  and that doesn’t accept input. Hit enter and then type “logon Main” and the password is “CPCMS” other wise did you start the six-pack from a Hercules command prompt, did you install Hercules as well…

 

Dave

 

 

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Subject: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work

 






After over 25 years, I decided to go on a nostalgia trip and try to take a look at the sixpack. It kicks off under Window 10 but the 3270 emulator does not accept any input. I have also tried to connect another emulator but it still has no input area. What to do?








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---In [hidden email], <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote :

> Hit enter and then type “logon Main”
> and the password is “CPCMS”

I think it should be "logon maint".

BFN. Paul.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work
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> ---In [hidden email], <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote :
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> > Hit enter and then type “logon Main”
> > and the password is “CPCMS”
>
> I think it should be "logon maint".
>
> BFN. Paul.
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RE: Cannot get the sixpack to work

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When I launch the 3270 emulator, either the one that comes with it or one from Ericom then press enter, the

x System message displays and does not go away. There is no input field to logon,
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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> When I launch the 3270 emulator, either the
> one that comes with it or one from Ericom
> then press enter, the

What does the 3270 screen look like
*before* you press enter?

Also, *after* you have started the
3270 emulator can you show us what
the hercules screen looks like? Just
cutting and pasting some text from
it should be enough. The data at
the bottom is most important.

BFN. Paul.
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I cannot screen capture the bottom of  the screen. Here is the before:

  Hercules Version  : 3.07
  Host name         : WANDERER
  Host OS           : Windows_NT-6 2
  Host Architecture : AMD64
  Processors        : MP=4
  Chanl Subsys      : 0
  Device number     : 00C0
  Subchannel        : 0005
 
             HHH          HHH   The S/370, ESA/390 and z/Architecture
             HHH          HHH                 Emulator
             HHH          HHH
             HHH          HHH  EEEE RRR   CCC U  U L    EEEE  SSS
             HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  E    R  R C    U  U L    E    S
             HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  EEE  RRR  C    U  U L    EEE   SS
             HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  E    R R  C    U  U L    E       S
             HHH          HHH  EEEE R  R  CCC  UU  LLLL EEEE SSS
             HHH          HHH
             HHH          HHH
             HHH          HHH     My PC thinks it's a MAINFRAME
 
             Copyright (C) 1999-2010 Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
 

 The after is the same
 

 

 After I press enter, the bottom of the screen show x SYSTEM. I have waited a long time but no input field is offered.
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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> Copyright (C) 1999-2010 Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others

Ok, that looks fine.

Can you now show either a cut and paste
of your Hercules screen (NOT this 3270
screen) or the hercules.log so that we can
see what is happening?

BFN. Paul.
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I cannot capture all the output from when I start Hercules. Here is the last screen:

 

 HHCCD001I Readahead thread 2 started: tid=00003640, pid=7192                   +
 

 

 

 VM/370 Release 06 Hercules "SixPack" version 1.2: 08/13/10 00:06:27
 

 Now 06:38:38 GMT FRIDAY 01/06/17
 

 DMKCPI971I System is Uniprocessor generated
 DMKCPI977I Free Trap Installed
 

 DMKUDR476I System Directory loaded from volume VM50-1
 

 06:38:38
 

 DMKWRM920I NO WARM START DATA; CKPT START FOR RETR
 06:38:38
  Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):
 HHCPN012I Resuming SCRIPT file processing...
 /(0009) enable all
 HHCPN013I EOF reached on SCRIPT file. Processing complete.
 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):
 Command ==>

 

 

 The log in the sixpack directory has no lines in it. I checked the Program Files directory but could not find a log there.
 

 

 

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---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :

> DMKWRM920I NO WARM START DATA; CKPT START FOR RETR
> 06:38:38
> Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):
> HHCPN012I Resuming SCRIPT file processing...
> /(0009) enable all
> HHCPN013I EOF reached on SCRIPT file. Processing complete.

Ok, on my system, I believe I am
automatically replying to this "start"
string with "/cold" rather than
"/enable all".

I don't know why your system is
different.

> The log in the sixpack directory has no lines in it.

If you use some editor to take a look
at hercules.log you will likely find
that it does in fact have data in it,
it's just that it shows 0 bytes if you
do a "dir".

The other thing you can do is type
in "quit" and hercules.log will be
closed and "dir" will show that it
contains data.

Another thing I found out was that
even though I am able to start
VM/370 (actually 380) without a
problem, I have the same problem
you have when I try to connect a
3270 terminal. It shows the
Hercules logo but I can't see any
way to get a login prompt from VM.

VM does acknowledge that a terminal
has been connected though:

18:49:56 For more details, type HELP WELCOME ( MORE
18:49:56 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:49:56
18:49:56
18:50:08 HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0:00C1
18:50:31 quit

I tried pressing ctrl-c on the 3270
terminal hoping that would clear
the screen so I can do a login, but
instead I got an X-wait.

Hopefully someone else knows the
solution to these problems.

BFN. Paul.
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Ok well this is happening because VM has not been shutdown properly. Type “/cold” on the Hercules console and all should be well.

Make sure that if VM hs come up you type “/shutdown” on the Hercules console to shutdown Hercules.

 

I know Paul says he has /cold that in his response file, but I don’t think that’s a great idea. Normally you want the spool preserved.

 

Dave

G4UGM

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 06 January 2017 06:42
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work

 



I cannot capture all the output from when I start Hercules. Here is the last screen:

 

 

HHCCD001I Readahead thread 2 started: tid=00003640, pid=7192                   +

 

 

 

VM/370 Release 06 Hercules "SixPack" version 1.2: 08/13/10 00:06:27

 

Now 06:38:38 GMT FRIDAY 01/06/17

 

DMKCPI971I System is Uniprocessor generated

DMKCPI977I Free Trap Installed

 

DMKUDR476I System Directory loaded from volume VM50-1

 

06:38:38

 

DMKWRM920I NO WARM START DATA; CKPT START FOR RETR

06:38:38

 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):

HHCPN012I Resuming SCRIPT file processing...

/(0009) enable all

HHCPN013I EOF reached on SCRIPT file. Processing complete.

Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):

Command ==>

 

 

The log in the sixpack directory has no lines in it. I checked the Program Files directory but could not find a log there.

 

 

 








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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 06 January 2017 07:52
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work
>
> ---In [hidden email], <dev@...> wrote :
>
> > DMKWRM920I NO WARM START DATA; CKPT START FOR RETR
> > 06:38:38
> > Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or
> (SHUTDOWN):
> > HHCPN012I Resuming SCRIPT file processing...
> > /(0009) enable all
> > HHCPN013I EOF reached on SCRIPT file. Processing complete.
>
> Ok, on my system, I believe I am
> automatically replying to this "start"
> string with "/cold" rather than
> "/enable all".

That’s because you never use VM as a normal user. "/cold" clears the spool and any reader files. Normally you use the reader to send files to other VM users. Loosing any files "in transit" isn't usually what users want.
You have lots of files left after a GCC build so want a clean system.

>
> I don't know why your system is
> different.

As downloaded it has "/warm". I believe I know why yours is different. See above.

>
> > The log in the sixpack directory has no lines in it.
>
> If you use some editor to take a look
> at hercules.log you will likely find
> that it does in fact have data in it,
> it's just that it shows 0 bytes if you
> do a "dir".
>
> The other thing you can do is type
> in "quit" and hercules.log will be
> closed and "dir" will show that it
> contains data.
>
> Another thing I found out was that
> even though I am able to start
> VM/370 (actually 380) without a
> problem, I have the same problem
> you have when I try to connect a
> 3270 terminal. It shows the
> Hercules logo but I can't see any
> way to get a login prompt from VM.
>
> VM does acknowledge that a terminal
> has been connected though:
>
> 18:49:56 For more details, type HELP WELCOME ( MORE
> 18:49:56 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:49:56
> 18:49:56
> 18:50:08 HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0:00C1
> 18:50:31 quit
>
> I tried pressing ctrl-c on the 3270
> terminal hoping that would clear
> the screen so I can do a login, but
> instead I got an X-wait.
>
> Hopefully someone else knows the
> solution to these problems.
>
You need a "/enable all" to allow logons.

> BFN. Paul.
>

Dave

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RE: Cannot get the sixpack to work

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I am not sure the VM IPL has completed, VM will require a valid reply like COLD or WARM before completing. The ENA ALL must be processed afterwards and the 3270 session needs to display the VM logo before starting the logon. I would look for confirmation that all this has happened first.
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The sixpack has an AUTOLOG1 user that sets up the system for running MVS
of all things.  It gets seriously in the way of any intelligent use of
VM.  You need to fix that on the only screen that is left enabled after IPL.

On 06/01/17 11:13, [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:
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> I am not sure the VM IPL has completed, VM will require a valid reply
> like COLD or WARM before completing. The ENA ALL must be processed
> afterwards and the 3270 session needs to display the VM logo before
> starting the logon. I would look for confirmation that all this has
> happened first.
>
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On 6 January 2017 at 02:52, [hidden email] wrote:
> VM does acknowledge that a terminal
> has been connected though:
>
> 18:49:56 For more details, type HELP WELCOME ( MORE
> 18:49:56 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:49:56
> 18:49:56
> 18:50:08 HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0:00C1
> 18:50:31 quit

That's not VM; that's just Hercules saying that a terminal has been
connected. VM (that is, CP) messages are DMK... Certainly VM wouldn't
know anything about the client IP address.

I think the cold/warm prompt has to be answered before much else is
going to move forward.

Tony H.
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Hercules390 - Vm mailing list
Perhaps a 'CP ENABLE ALL' ?

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Tony Harminc [hidden email] [H390-VM] <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On 6 January 2017 at 02:52, [hidden email] wrote:
> > VM does acknowledge that a terminal
> > has been connected though:
> >
> > 18:49:56 For more details, type HELP WELCOME ( MORE
> > 18:49:56 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:49:56
> > 18:49:56
> > 18:50:08 HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0:00C1
> > 18:50:31 quit
>
> That's not VM; that's just Hercules saying that a terminal has been
> connected. VM (that is, CP) messages are DMK... Certainly VM wouldn't
> know anything about the client IP address.
>
> I think the cold/warm prompt has to be answered before much else is
> going to move forward.
>
> Tony H.
>
>
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There is an “enable all” in the six-pack  .rc file. Its just when its not shut down the startup fails

 

Dave

 

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Sent: 06 January 2017 18:33
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work

 






Perhaps a 'CP ENABLE ALL' ?

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Tony Harminc [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>  [H390-VM] <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > wrote:

 

On 6 January 2017 at 02:52, [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>  wrote:
> VM does acknowledge that a terminal
> has been connected though:
>
> 18:49:56 For more details, type HELP WELCOME ( MORE
> 18:49:56 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:49:56
> 18:49:56
> 18:50:08 HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0:00C1
> 18:50:31 quit

That's not VM; that's just Hercules saying that a terminal has been
connected. VM (that is, CP) messages are DMK... Certainly VM wouldn't
know anything about the client IP address.

I think the cold/warm prompt has to be answered before much else is
going to move forward.

Tony H.

 








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On 1/6/2017 8:53 PM, 'Dave Wade' [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:
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> There is an “enable all” in the six-pack  .rc file. Its just when its
> not shut down the startup fails
>
>
Why isn't there a "CP ENABLE ALL" in AUTOLOG1 ? Wouldn't that be more
simple ?

--Ivan

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Ask the authour, it wasn’t me… (I think its there as well)

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 06 January 2017 19:58
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [H390-VM] Cannot get the sixpack to work

 

 

 

On 1/6/2017 8:53 PM, 'Dave Wade' [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>  [H390-VM] wrote:

There is an “enable all” in the six-pack  .rc file. Its just when its not shut down the startup fails

 

Why isn't there a "CP ENABLE ALL" in AUTOLOG1 ? Wouldn't that be more simple ?

--Ivan

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Because the sixpack was butchered by an MVS user.

On 06/01/17 19:57, Ivan Warren [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:

>
>
> On 1/6/2017 8:53 PM, 'Dave Wade' [hidden email] [H390-VM] wrote:
>>
>> There is an “enable all” in the six-pack  .rc file. Its just when its
>> not shut down the startup fails
>>
>>
> Why isn't there a "CP ENABLE ALL" in AUTOLOG1 ? Wouldn't that be more
> simple ?
>
> --Ivan
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