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Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

I guess this is a nice starting point.

I hope you find a few minutes for this.

(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten
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A Danish adage goes,

"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."

Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.

On 05/01/2017 10:05 AM, Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
[hercules-390] wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
> anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
> -How old are you?
> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
> -Are you currently active in this field?
> -What is your day job?
> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>
> I guess this is a nice starting point.
>
> I hope you find a few minutes for this.
>
> (If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
> being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeroen Baten
>
>
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On 5/1/2017 10:54 AM, 'John P. Hartmann' [hidden email]
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> A Danish adage goes,
>
> "One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
>
> Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
>
>
John,

You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.

--Ivan



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I don't mind answering:

-How old are you? 65
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field? Yes
-What is your day job? Systems programmer z/OS, mainly CICS install and
support,
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
Started in 1975 on OS/VS1 about a 2
DOS/VSE - 5 years, about a 5
VM and z/VM about 2 years, a 4...
MVS derivatives up to z/OS (currently on 2.2) 7/10

Programming languages:

Pl/I - 10 years - 7/10
COBOL 6 years 5/10
Assembler 8 years - 6/10
REXX - 10 years 8/10

Other:

MVS 4GLS:

IDEAL - 6 years - 7/10
Natural 3 years - 5/10



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[hercules-390] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 10:54 AM, 'John P. Hartmann' [hidden email]
> [hercules-390] wrote:
> > A Danish adage goes,
> >
> > "One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
> >
> > Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
> >
> >
> John,
>
> You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
> You are not "in charge" here.
>
> --Ivan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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On 01/05/2017 10:05, Jeroen Baten [hidden email] [hercules-390]
wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
> anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
I don't mind answering either ;-)

>
> -How old are you? 78
>
> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?  You mean   describe
> surely? - Mainly by being thrown into the deep end.
>
> -Are you currently active in this field?  No
>
> -What is your day job? I'm retired.
>
> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>
  1) Disk Monitor System 2 (DM2 - IBM 1130) - university level (2)
  2) CSTS and CSTS2 from CSC (Sperry-Univac 1108 then Sperry 1111) -
very well, for a number of years I was the main support in this country (8)
  3) OS/VS1 - not well (3)
  4) MVS/SP - moderately well although I am learning a lot more now
through the good offices of support groups like this one (5-6)
5) MVS-XA then MVS-ESA - well enough to IPL and install our products -
the TP monitor (COM-PLETE), ADABAS and NATURAL (5)
6) DOS/VSE, VSE/SP and VSE/ESA - more or less as per point 5. (4)

Also a brief encounter with Borroughs MCP but don't really remember much
of that.
HTH
Bill Turner (the South African one)
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-How old are you? 53
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? Started in 1982 as an
intern applications programmer on a 401k accounting system that ran on
multiple platforms (IBM, WANG, DEC). Promoted to IBM systems programmer.
-Are you currently active in this field? I am actively employed in IT, yes.
I work for a manufacturer's rep where I deal with all kinds of systems on a
daily basis.
-What is your day job? Networking and DataComm (knowledge I picked up from
learning VTAM on the mainframe!)
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge of
each on a scale from 1 to 10?

MVS (generally) 7/10
VSE (generally) 5/10
VM (generally) 4/10

Joe

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:05 AM, Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
[hercules-390] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
> anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
> -How old are you?
> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
> -Are you currently active in this field?
> -What is your day job?
> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>
> I guess this is a nice starting point.
>
> I hope you find a few minutes for this.
>
> (If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
> being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeroen Baten
>
>
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John P. Hartmann wrote:

> A Danish adage goes,
>
> "One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
>
> Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.

Fuck you, John.

Instead, YOU should take YOUR haughty, snobbish, holier-than-thou, disrespectful, insulting attitude elsewhere.

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On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:05:04 +0200, "Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
[hercules-390]" <[hidden email]> wrote:


> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to
> sell anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

  I'm afraid you will get nuts trying to sort out the answers to those
questions.   I am one of those many lurking in the darkness listening
to the guys discussing times and again, and just learning a lot from
whatever sense or nonsense they "talk" about.   It is really quite
enjoyable.

>
> -How old are you?

  65

> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?

  I am just an user, not a system programmer.  I have just developed
scientific code (FORTRAN) for geophysical data processing.

  I started as a COBOL developer a looong time ago on a burroughs
B-3500, next to a /360 running, I don't know possibly, a DOS as it had
three fixed partitions (BG, FG1, and FG2).  A 10 years hiatus using a
PDP11/40, and then back to mainframe (1982) running MVS in a TSO/ISPF
environment. It got this way for 15 or 20 more years with the system
being a moving target until a 3090 600/6VF.   From them on on *NIX/
Linux system HPC environment.

  Anyway, I was all the time an user.   Skilled as an user, but nothing
than that.

> -Are you currently active in this field?

  No.


> -What is your day job?

  Petroleum geophysics.

> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your
> knowledge of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

  As a system programmer I would be classified in 1/10
  As an MVS USER perhaps something as a  7/10.

  Out of those experiences described above, just out of curiosity and
some fun, I have IPLed VM/370, MUSIC, and Linux in Hercules.

  Hope this helps.

> I guess this is a nice starting point.
>
> I hope you find a few minutes for this.
>
> (If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space
> is being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeroen Baten
>
>
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I will respond but your question #5 is basic.
As how to define knowledge of an OS and therefore at what level. For
example level needed to use for programming, compiling, testing along
with writing JCL to run most of the event previously defined consists
more of a copy and paste job then new JCL although for testing some what
more is needed but that is the knowledge of knowing in what manual to
look and that takes time / experience.

Another example which is some what more detailed as a sysadmin and there
is multiple levels depending if person has also built an entire system
from scratch.

So you will have to be careful on looking at answers.

and now for my answers see between your Q's.



On 01/05/17 09:05, Jeroen Baten [hidden email] [hercules-390] wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
> anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
> -How old are you?
>
  69 (70 in June 23).

> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
>
Since 1961 as operator and prog and higher since 63..
>
> -Are you currently active in this field?
>
yes
>
> -What is your day job?
>
Migration specialist that is mostly actual programming conversion from
one platform/compiler to another.
>
> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
>
Linux(good),
IBM:
MVS  & old variants (dev. prog and sysadmin),   - 7
OS/390 as above.   - 6
z/OS  as above.     -5
ICL/ICT:
George 1, 2 - was good ~(8+) but a long time ago..
George 3 & 4 Programmer, tester & user.   - (7+ also a long time ago)
VME  Developer of it and as a user under it (prog, dump cracker, anal,
test lead/manager) - 8-9
DME  Prog, test lead/manager,    (6)

Plus a stack for CDC, DEC, Honeywell, Burroughs, LEO, and a few I have
forgotten the names :)

> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>

Vince
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> Sent: 01 May 2017 14:51
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time.
>
> On Mon, 1 May 2017 10:05:04 +0200, "Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
> [hercules-390]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> > Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small

Sometimes I am not sure about that.

> > statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to
> > sell anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
> >
> > If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>

Ah but will we tell the truth...

> >
> > -How old are you?
>
 62 (decimal)
>
> > -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
>

Did you mean "describe"?

Depends on that age old question, i.e. what is a Mainframe?
So I learnt Fortran II at school when 18 years old on an IBM 1620. Not a Mainframe.
Then used an IBM 360/67 at Newcastle University (remotely, I was at Newcastle Polytechnic) so MTS which is not a typical mainframe OS.
Then I spend 10 years on Honeywell kit, firstly H3200, again possibly not a "Mainframe"..
.. then various GCOS 3 machines, Honeywell L66/10, L66/60, DPS300. In later times also VAX and VMS

Then back to IBM 370 but mostly VM/SP and as we started connecting these to PC's I worked on MS Windows (and OS/2)...
... from about 1995 onwards almost all Microsoft Exchange (at DEC/Compaq/HP) and local council.

>
> > -Are you currently active in this field?
>

No really.... I own a P390 but its not been powered on for ages. Also a few VAX

>
>
> > -What is your day job?
>
Keeping my wife happy? Demonstrating the Baby replica valve computer, causing trouble...
>
> > -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your
> > knowledge of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>

VM/370 & VM/SP -> somewhere around 8/10 but remember some folks on here know lots more, so perhaps we need a log scale.
MVS, MTS, Music -> enough to install/run/use

Also forgetting things rapidly.


Dave
> >
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On 5/1/17 4:05 AM, Jeroen Baten [hidden email] [hercules-390] wrote:
> -How old are you?
74

> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
Begin as scientific programmer on an IBM 709, then 7090, then 7094. Then
got into systems programming in the mid-sixties on a 360/40, then 50,
65, 165, 168, 3081, 4341, 4381, and some OS/390 boxes.

I've written programs in ForTran, CoBOL (just once), PL/I, REXX, but
vastly prefer Assembler (FAP, MAP, ASM F and XF, HLASM)

> -Are you currently active in this field?
Only as a volunteer (Hercules MVS groups), contributing code and snide
remarks <g>

> -What is your day job?Kibitzing. Seriously, I'm retired.

> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

$IBSYS (forgotten most details). OS/360 (9) PCP, MFT II, MVT; MVS (8)
DOS (6), VM (4)

Also ran as a user on CDC (160, 1604, 6600), Dec-System 20, and Univac
(1107, 1108)

> I guess this is a nice starting point.

You may not be aware, but most yahoo groups support a user created poll,
although the code limits questions to multiple choice answers?

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:05:04AM +0200, Jeroen Baten [hidden email] [hercules-390] wrote:
 
> -How old are you?

47

> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?

My mainframe history isn't a mailing list.  I wouldn't subscribe to it.  :-)

My first exposure to a true mainframe was at Atlas Wireline Services as an
end user in the early to mid '90s.  I worked as a shop helper in the machine
shop and occasionally used CICS apps to check stock status, add notes to
work orders, etc.

I started with the company I currently work for in freight bill entry and
driver check in about twenty years ago.  I then moved to customer service
for a bit.  One day I saw a job posting for a mainframe operator.  I took a
chance and applied for it.  I didn't get it.  Shortly thereafter another
posting for the same position came up.  I tried again, and got it.  I was
the first operator where I work to start with no prior mainframe operational
experience.  I had worked for a short time as a volunteer operator on a VAX
11/750 running VMS when I was in college.

> -Are you currently active in this field?

Yes.

> -What is your day job?

My current title is a work in progress.  The majority of the twenty years
I've been with my current employer has been as a mainframe operator, first
on OS/390 then z/OS.  We're in the process of downgrading from our in house
written mainframe based system to an AS/400 based system.  Our last
mainframe system programmer retired in December.  I was asked to take on a
few of his duties after he left.  Thankfully he left me detailed notes.  My
supervisor retired in February.  I was asked to take on all of his duties
after he left.  He left me no notes.  I've been figuring out job scheduling
in CA-7, etc., as I go.  I've been told a promotion is in the works for me,
but have yet to be offered a new title.

> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

From an operational standpoint I know z/OS and its ancestors fairly well,
probably 8 out of 10.

With Hercules and other mainframe emulators I've dabbled with a variety of
OSes.  I'm at the extreme novice level, barely a 1 if that, on most if not
all of them:

    DOS/VS
    VM/370
    MTS
    Music
    TSS
    Multics
    Chippawa

and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting.



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Am 01.05.2017 um 10:05 schrieb Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
[hercules-390]:
> -How old are you?
58
> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
I studied computer science in Germany (University of Stuttgart);
there they had a German mainframe (Telefunken TR 440) - not IBM compatible.
I programmed Pascal, Fortran, COBOL and TAS (Telefunken ASSEMBLER)
on this machine. While studying, I worked as a programmer (for money,
not at the university) and there we used IBM machines, running VM/CMS
and VSE;
I was coding in Fortran, RPG, COBOL, later in Pascal. In 1985, I wrote
my diploma
thesis on a 3081 machine using VM/CMS and Pascal in 1985 - IBM made some
donations to the university, so they had two IBM machines then.
Since 1983, I have been working as a freelancer. New topics (after
finishing studies)
were MVS, REXX, ASSEMBLER, SQL/DS and DB2, PL/1, C (I hope, I get the
sequence right). Recently, I did some extensions to the Stanford Pascal
compiler (which runs on VM/370 on Hercules) and ported it to
Windows/Unix/Linux and to MVS.
> -Are you currently active in this field?
yes
> -What is your day job?
Mainframe developer and software architect; still as a freelancer

> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
MVS - 7
VM - 5
VSE - 3
Linux - 3
>
Kind regards

Bernd
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On 1 May 2017 10:06 a.m., "Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
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Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

-How old are you?

57

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?

First programs were written at the TH Delft in ALGOL60, using punched
cards. Joined AMEV in 1985 as a trainee, and have used PL/I all my life,
now on z/OS 1.10 running under Hercules 3.11.

-Are you currently active in this field?

Between contracts since October 2009, but 1.10 is running mostly 24/7

-What is your day job?


Trying to find one

-What mainframe OS's do you know?

Just z/OS, and obviously its predecessors, MVS, and OS/390

And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?


Know how to IPL z/OS, and probably a bit more than an simple programmer
should know ;)

And quite a few of my PL/I RFE's have made it into Enterprise PL/I.


I guess this is a nice starting point.

I hope you find a few minutes for this.

(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten

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Hi,

Just out of curiosity.

You state that you are planning to 'publish the findings'. Are you going to
include it in one of your upcoming books, or something similar ? If so, are
you going to financially compensate the respondents for their data (which
they seem to be giving here in good faith)  ?

Kind regards,


Maarten Hoes.



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>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
> Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
> statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
> anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
> If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
> -How old are you?
> -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
> -Are you currently active in this field?
> -What is your day job?
> -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
> of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>
> I guess this is a nice starting point.
>
> I hope you find a few minutes for this.
>
> (If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
> being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeroen Baten
>
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Hi,


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[hercules-390] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 10:54 AM, 'John P. Hartmann' [hidden email]
> [hercules-390] wrote:
> > A Danish adage goes,
> >
> > "One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
> >
> > Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
> >
> >
> John,
>
> You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
> You are not "in charge" here.
>
> --Ivan
>


He may not be 'in charge' here, but it seems to me that neither are you.
Which you purposefully seem to ignore ?


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Hi

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 2:47 PM, ''Fish' (David B. Trout)'
[hidden email] [hercules-390] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> John P. Hartmann wrote:
>
> > A Danish adage goes,
> >
> > "One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
> >
> > Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
>
> Fuck you, John.
>
> Instead, YOU should take YOUR haughty, snobbish, holier-than-thou,
> disrespectful, insulting attitude elsewhere.
>
Although I agree with your previous point of not liking the questionnaire,
I would appreciate it if the general level of 'aggression' [not just here
you specifically] (sorry, can't think of a better word, I'm not a native
english speaker) could be toned down a bit. Can't we all just get along ?



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Hello Maarten,

If I look at your first and last name I guess you are Dutch, same as me.

What I meant by publishing my findings can fall into 2 categories.

1) my small questionnaire for which I have received so many very nice
replies (thank you all!) I thought only to publish in this group only
(!) the overall picture that I get from all the individual replies.

2) I did talk in another post about maybe writing another book and that
is still a very big if. I am somebody who likes to learn and keep
learning, even at 53 (my age). When I write an IT book for a publisher
usually my fee would be on average 1 euro/dollar per book sold. For
Dutch books my experience is that with some 1000 books sold per year it
is not really worth all the energy and effort that go into writing.
When I publish a book myself (usually on lulu.com) the revenues can
climb since I can set the sales price myself. The downside to this is
that there is no publisher who does the marketing and I myself really
suck at that, so the numbers sold are low. And still, it is not nearly
enough to make a living, let alone compensate other people.

In the last 20 years I have done numerous talks about open source and
linux and seldom did I get paid to do it. It was more of a marketing
thing than anything else really. Besides the fact that I just love to be
on stage and talk to a bunch of people.

Working in open source the last 20 years I was able to make a living.
Still I did a lot of stuff "just for fun" (<- reference to book by Linus
Torvalds I can recommend).

So if, and it is a big if, I do wrote a book about what I learn here, I
see no reasonable way to compensate people for the time and effort to
help me learn new stuff. I wish I could, really.

Oh, and the questionaire stuf is not for publication. Just trying to get
a feel for the community that is here.

I hope this answers your question Maarten. Tell me, does it?

Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten


Op 01-05-17 om 21:07 schreef Maarten Hoes [hidden email]
[hercules-390]:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity.
>
> You state that you are planning to 'publish the findings'. Are you going
> to include it in one of your upcoming books, or something similar ? If
> so, are you going to financially compensate the respondents for their
> data (which they seem to be giving here in good faith)  ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Maarten Hoes.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]> [hercules-390]
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     __
>
>
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
>     Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
>     statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
>     anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
>
>     If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
>
>     -How old are you?
>     -How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
>     -Are you currently active in this field?
>     -What is your day job?
>     -What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
>     of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
>
>     I guess this is a nice starting point.
>
>     I hope you find a few minutes for this.
>
>     (If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
>     being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Jeroen Baten
>
>
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Hi,

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Jeroen Baten [hidden email]
[hercules-390] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Oh, and the questionaire stuf is not for publication. Just trying to get
> a feel for the community that is here.
>
> I hope this answers your question Maarten. Tell me, does it?
>
> Kind regards,
> Jeroen Baten
>

Yes, that answers the question. Although it seems to me you could have
gotten the exact same information by reading previous posts, and lurking
here for a while. Like I do.
;)


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Maarten Hoes wrote:

[...]
> Although I agree with your previous point of not liking
> the questionnaire,

By "questionnaire" I presume you mean John's response?


> I would appreciate it if the general level of 'aggression'
> [not just here you specifically] (sorry, can't think of a
> better word, I'm not a native English speaker) could be
> toned down a bit.

If he insults me or others then I insult him.  It's that simple.

If you don't wish to see that occur then complain to John.  He's the instigator.  If he wasn't so rude I wouldn't need to be so rude back at him.

And for the record saying "Fuck you" to someone is not a display or act of aggression.  It is a simple act of utter disdain and disrespect which people like him clearly deserve.


> Can't we all just get along ?

I get along well with virtually everyone except John.

And given his record of disrespect towards others it should hardly be surprising as to why that is.

(And for the record I'm certainly not alone in my feelings towards John which, again, should hardly come as a surprise given his aberrant anti-social behavior).

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
http://www.softdevlabs.com
mail: [hidden email]



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